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This article needs a clean up, badly. There are many claims and no references to back them up.
For example, the following quote taken from the 'Significance' section claims he performed miracles. I have never heard or read anything on this and if you cannot provide a reference then it should be removed. This is only one example, there are many more.
'There are markers within the mosque indicating the locations for where the court of ‘Alī used to preside, where he was claimed to perform miracles,' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.113.143 (talk) 05:19, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
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Funny, not mentioned here is that the Mosque was created by the Shi'ites biggest enemy, Umar ibn Al-Khattab. How Ironic. 113.210.7.181 (talk) 20:52, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
The phrase "it was later the dwelling place of Noah" doesn't seem to have an indication of what it was later than, perhaps dues to being deleted in a previous edit. I'm going to be bold and delete the "later".--Wcoole (talk) 20:11, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
A Talk about these 2 repetitive content deletions is afoot in Special:Permalink/800480455 as a WP:CENSOR.
The controversial content is in pink background color below (it is the translation of the Hadith on the Official website of Mosque of Kufa in THIS SOURCE ) :
Dragon gate (Arabic: باب الثعبان, romanized: Bāb al-Thu‘bān, lit. 'Gate of the Serpent') is a famous door of Great Mosque of Kufa.
The mosque official website says the background of the doorway name is from a Hadith in Bihar al-Anwar from Ja'far al-Sadiq says :
Amir al-Momenin was presenting a sermon on the rostrum in Kufa, when suddenly a dragon appeared, running severely towards the people and causing them to flee. Hadrat told the people "open the way for him" and the dragon came close and climbed up from the rostrum. He kissed the blessed feet of Hadrat and exhaled 3 times, before coming down and leaving. People asked for an explanation and Hadrat said "He was a man of the Jinn and was saying "One of the people(Ansar or patrons) named Jaber ibn-Sami' has killed his child by using stone but his child hadn't hurt Jaber in anyway". He was asking for revenge."
The name of the door, became "Dragon gate" or Dragon door. Also it has been said that Muawiyah I fastened an elephant there and the name of the door became "The elephant gate" for a while.
--IranianNationalist (Welcome) 20:46, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Laughing is a persistent part of my life (I laugh to God too) :) I don't push my IMAGINATIONS to anyone (versus Muslims) but if some people think there is a GOD up there to help oppressed Muslims of Myanmar (AND I THINK THERE IS NO GOD TO HELP ANYONE OF US) it doesn't mean to delete the God article. The official website of the mosque is not an unreliable source for Islamic imaginations(my viewpoint) if someone wants to believe in the existence of Jinns out there, or not, it is a personal decision based on how much we want to be rational or not. --IranianNationalist (Welcome) 21:37, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
The OFFICIAL WEBSITE OF THE MOSQUE IS A COMPLETELY RELIABLE SECONDARY SOURCE : https://web.archive.org/web/20130919075523/http://www.masjed-alkufa.net/news.php?readmore=203
Also the Official website is the secondary source and is referring to the Hadith of the Bihar al-Anwar EXACTLY (@Anyone : CAN'T YOU READ ARABIC? SEEK YOUR SELF THIS WAY) : Bihar al-Anwar (Bihār al-Anwār (Arabic: بحار الأنوار, meaning "Seas of Lights")) In the official website of the mosque :
OR :
--IranianNationalist (Welcome) 21:40, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
OK, I think the Mohammad-Baqer Majlesi and (fa:مهدی هادوی تهرانی) https://www.islamquest.net/fa/archive/question/fa77393 are sufficiently reliable to mention the Hadith --IranianNationalist (Welcome) 19:28, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
@Slatersteven: Are you OK? This is the source (https://www.islamquest.net/fa/archive/question/fa77393) not wikipedia article!!!!
Wikipedia:Reliable_source_examples#Religious_sources
fa:مهدی هادوی تهرانی = https://www.islamquest.net/fa/archive/question/fa77393
--IranianNationalist (Welcome) 10:06, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
@Slatersteven: There are MANY SOURCES about هادوی تهرانی out there you can see the IslamQuest in them (and Google is a very good tool for search) :
--IranianNationalist (Welcome) 10:23, 15 September 2017 (UTC) Translation of http://www.jamaran.ir/بخش-اخبار-59/121303-نامه-آیت-الله-هادوی-تهرانی-خطاب-به-فقهای-شورای-نگهبان : Currently the islamquest.net with 2 and half a million visits and in 16 languages is working under the supervision of Mehdi Hadavi Tehrani (fa:مهدی هادوی تهرانی) --IranianNationalist (Welcome) 10:27, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
@Slatersteven: This is the sequence of the sources :
--IranianNationalist (Welcome) 10:51, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
@Pahlevun Q&A? can you please and add a new answer by yourself to the page there? Is it social? or it is the official owner (Hadavi Tehrani) providing the questions and answering to them? IT IS EXACTLY SAME AS THE Islamic Treatise. --IranianNationalist (Welcome) 10:57, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
The discussion is at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Primary_sources_at_Great_Mosque_of_Kufa. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 13:16, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
--IranianNationalist (Welcome) 13:52, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
References
أمير المؤمنين الأمام علي بن أبي طالب (عليه السلام) يخطب على منبره في مسجد الكوفة , إذ ظهر ثعبان من جانب المنبر وجعل يجر ويرقى حتى دنا من أمير المؤمنين (عليه السلام) , فارتاع الناس من ذلك وهمّوا أن يدفعوه عن الإمام (عليه السلام), فقام الثعبان ثم انحنى الإمام على الثعبان حتى التقم الثعبان إذنه , فتحيّّر الناس من ذلك , وهو يحدثه فسمع من كان قريبا كلام الثعبان ثم زال عن مكانه , وأمير المؤمنين (عليه السلام) جعل يحرّك شفتيه , والثعبان كالمصغي إليه , ثم سار الثعبان وخرج , وعاد أمير المؤمنين (عليه السلام) إلى خطبته وأتمها , فلما فرغ نزل من المنبر فاجتمع إليه الناس يسألونه عن حال الثعبان والأعجوبة فيه, فقال( عليه السلام) : ليس ذلك كما ظننتم , وإنما كان ذلك حاكما على الجن!! ,فالتبست عليه قضية وصعبت , فجاء ليستفهمها فاهمته إياها , فدعا لي بالخير وانصرف.
مسجد كوفه چهارده مقام دارد و هر مقام نمازي مخصوص به خود ... بابالثعبان ...
روزی امیرالمومنین در کوفه بر فراز منبر مشغول خطبه بود که ناگهان اژدهایی در حالی که به شدت به طرف مردم میدوید و آنها از او میگریختند پدیدار شد. حضرب فرمود : «راه را برای او باز کنید.» اژدها جلو آمد و از منبر بالا رفت و پاهای حضرت را بوسید و خود را به پاهای مبارک حضرت مالید و سه بار دمید، سپس پایین آمد و رفت و حضرت خطبه را ادامه داد. وقتی مردم توضیح خواستند ایشان فرمود : مردی از جن بود که میگفت : فرزندش را یکی از انصار به نام جابر بن سمیع بدون اینکه به او آزاری رسانده باشد با سنگ کشته است و اکنون خون فرزندش را میطلبید.
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@Godric on Leave: hi, considering you closed the AfD of "Dragon gate", could you please comment on the following? It appears the to-be-merged article was already merged during the discussion, so would you reckon it is still necessary to merge? Or should we just go straight for redirecting or maybe even turning it into a disambiguation page, because of Dragon Gate, Dragon Gate USA, and Dragon's Gate? --HyperGaruda (talk) 19:22, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
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@Emir of Wikipedia: User:Pahlevun is on WP:ANB do you want to be there too aside his other actions? If you can not read Arabic or Farsi plz stay aside or you will be in ANB too.
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